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Post by briacanbiteme on Apr 23, 2003 18:20:01 GMT -5
I just wanted to join the chorus of those that sing: Bria Sux!
She is such a rip off. A Mara rip-off, who is herself a Shira Brie rip-off. It's like a vicious circle of red-headed floozy bimbos.
Padme and Bail will be the ones that form the resistance, because they are already there, flying int he face of the popular vote, because they have strong convictions, and morals. To have Bail Organa join the Alliance because of some loser is just insulting to the man. Now that we see him in live action, it's even more insulting. This a man that goes against Palaptine in his office. He doesn't need pushing from some mouthy teen brattling. Leia is the ones who discovered the DS plans, and to insert some embarrassing Mary Sue intot hat story is beyond degrading. To lift dialogue fromt he movies and try to rewrite history is nauseating. To go directly against the creator's definition of a character HE CREATING FROM HIS OWN IMAGINATION, is beyond DISREPECT. It is out and out contempt that Crispin has shown to Lucas, and contempt for his vision, and intellectual property. To literally supersede what GL has publicly stated is sickening. She could have written anything about Han. Why did she have to basically revise the character's history to satisfy her groupie notions, and rob Han and Leia of their soul mate staus is just beyond me.
It's no wonder that Crispin and Tyers get along so well. No two authors have shown LFL such conttempt and disrespect as those two, with their red-haired harlots.
Please GL, write EPIII to negate this travesty.
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starwarsfan68
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There is one one true movie romance Han and Leia
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Post by starwarsfan68 on Apr 24, 2003 7:17:51 GMT -5
Just want to say I love your name! To the previous poster!!!
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Post by Shelley on Apr 24, 2003 12:47:42 GMT -5
Don't be so shy, briacanbiteme...tell us how you really feel. ;D
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Post by Just passing through on Jun 1, 2003 3:52:20 GMT -5
*raises hand* This one. I don't see what's so romantic about that. Han and Leia's love flows deeper than deciding where they are going to boink. Seems to me that much of the criticism of Crispin's characters stems from them being simply retreads of the characters in the movies, and/or irritating, needlessly maximized Mary Sues. Ah yes...tedious martyrdom, marked by self-pity and/or the pity of others, which is every bit as annoying as the self-insertion wish fulfillment. Not to mention, Bria whining and crying about how she broke her heart and Han's is simply self-absorption in the guise of self-flagellation. "Me, me, me, the galaxy revolves around me, everyone is obsessed with me, everything I do affects everyone else!" That all of this is proven to be true about Bria in the HST further underscores her Mary Sue-ism. Here's a terrific article about Mary Sue-ism: enterprise.mathematik.uni-essen.de/~bastian/Ranma/MarySue.html
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Post by calista on Oct 26, 2003 13:23:13 GMT -5
Good grief this is one huge discussion!! Personally I like both Bria and Leia, this doesn't mean I don't have opinions about them. Relationship wise they are miles apart Bria was Han's first love at a very young age and at that time I think they were good together. But Han meets Leia much later in his life when he has grown up a lot (and has gone through a number of women!) so he knows much more about what kind of a woman he wants to be with. Plus I think a relationship that builds up slower is one that will make more of an impression and be likely to last. Another point is Han and Leia do stay together for many years, if either weren't happy their personalities are of a kind that wouldn't hang about kidding themselves that they were in love when they clearly aren't!! Plus what relationship doesn't go through sticky patches? The fact that H and L do get back together confirms for me that they do love each other, and it will just take time to become close again.
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Post by calista on Oct 26, 2003 14:39:21 GMT -5
I know I've joined this debate a little late LOL! But I think you all need to lighten up about the whole Han, Leia, Bria thing! Especially you, guest Bria! Sounds to me like you need to get out more and stop swooning over a fictional character!
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Post by roselee on Nov 18, 2003 11:49:29 GMT -5
Ok I just started reading this message from the beginnig which apparently was like two years ago, and I have to say I don't understand the thinking I've seen mostly from one person on why and Han and Bria should have been together. The whole thing is based solely on three books which seem to have only been compared to the movies. If you are going to take the books as gossiple of being what actually happened there's a lot more to discuss. first I agree han was in love with Bria. And while I don't think he really waited for her for ten years, I do think that in that ten years he never really got over her. I think that deep down he longed for her throughout those ten years. But he longed for the fantasy of her. In reality it was more the memory of her composed in his mind that he actually loved. When he actually reunited with her it didn't take long for his feelings to change. I keep reading this perception that bria was the love of han's life based soley on a series of three books. Well let's assume for a second that these three books are gospel. Then I have to point out that Han himself says in the last of these three books that he no longer loves Bria. and I quote, I loved you. If I see you again I shoot you on sight. Notice he said loved not love. In the very same books where the author had portrayed Han longing for Bria, dreaming of her for years, in the end when she died he barely gave it a second thought. Expressing clearly he had let go of Bria before she died. My impression was that while he longed for her for ten years in memory all that was shattered with reality. It seemed very much to me as he felt like he'd never really known her at all. Which would explain why in the book version of return of the Jedi han expresses in thoughts of Leia that he'd never really known love. Since we are taking the books as gospel I can use that. Since the argument that Bria was Han's true love was based solely on books, then I won't even use the movie as an argument. I'll use books. How about the courtship of princess Leia when Han said he loved Leia more than his own life. And I've heard it mentioned that when Leia wasn't with him in NJO books, he didn't care. Well he certainly cared in this book. It seems to me when Bria left he'd just let her go. Yes she said that's what she wanted. But so did Leia, and he obviously loved her too much too listen. Now it has been debated wether Han actually would have gone to lenghts he did to keep her, but since we are using the books as gospel that doesn't matter. And then there was the jedi accademy trilogy when han refers to his time spent in carbonation when he says he spent months thinking of nothing but Leia's face, and the last words she said to him. That right there stamps out the theory that he'd been thinking of Bria. Han confirms that in his own private thoughts. Or how about the Crystal Star when Han thinks how happy his life had since he'd been with Leia. And wondered as his happiness continued through the years, if Luke would ever find it. Doesn't sound to me as if he feels miserable without Bria. And as some comics were referred to of Leia being jealous of Chewie and not wanting him around, these comics being about Chewie . Well I had also read in a comic while back about Han and Leia where he said I love you to her, and expressed in his thoughts that he had never meant it more. And to comment on the whole he asked Bria to marry him right away, originally it had been written that Han and Leia did marry after Endor, and Lucas had said interviews that was how he planned it. It had in fact been that way in the first star wars books published not widely known as they were written at the young adult level. But then authors came along and rewrote things in the novels. I have a book that is just on the history of many starwars characters, which includes these original books, published by lucas unlimited where history has been rewritten than Han had planned to marry Leia right away but leia backed out because she was scared of having of family due to her heritage, and the fear of what she might not have discovered in herself yet. And since the books are gospel we have to accept that as the truth right. Just as we have to accept that Bria had been the love of Han's life prior to the movies.
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Post by roselee on Nov 18, 2003 13:07:09 GMT -5
I just had to say one more thing. I know this was said way back, but as I said I just started reading the post. But I really really don't get how Han could have been out of character in the movies. He was created in the movies. If his character was different in the books about his life before the movies then I would have to say it was the books he was out of charater in as the movies came first and established the character.
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