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Post by ivylore on Nov 26, 2001 9:54:08 GMT -5
After downloading the Acrobat reader first (which didn't WORK, so I removed the program), I used Microsoft. If you haven't chosen yet, Microsoft downloads in a third of the time... I've given it a quick read so far. Seems like Denning's way of fleshing out Star by Star, a few of his characters, such as the Barabels, although the whole story is mostly Leia's POV. It's... in all honesty a lot drier than I was anticipating... assassination attempts, running around in repulsor lift chairs... There are more endearing moments in Star by Star... I don't want to post too much for those of you who haven't read it but I'll check back later...
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Post by Toryn Farr on Nov 26, 2001 19:31:49 GMT -5
Well I just finished Recovery. I wont say too much, dont wanna ruin it for the people that havent read it. I thought it was pretty good, much better than what we've been getting. There was more action than I would have asked for, but I thought a lot of the dialogue between Han and Leia was great.
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Post by starwarsfan68 on Nov 29, 2001 19:32:12 GMT -5
I just finished Recovery. It was ok. Better than what is out there in book form but I still like the fans versions of Han and Leia post ROTJ. Iwas glad it was only 2.99
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Post by Toryn Farr on Nov 29, 2001 20:26:46 GMT -5
I dont think any profic could ever compare to some of the fanfics that are out there. yeh, it is a good thing it was only $2.99. If it was longer maybe I would have paid more.
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Post by snitch@earthlink.net on Dec 7, 2001 11:24:12 GMT -5
The thing I enjoyed the most about 'Recovery' is that Han and Leia are having their adventures together! And looking at the summaries of upcoming NJO books, it looks like it's going to stay that way. It's about time! Sure, 'Recovery' wasn't all mushy like most FanFic pieces, but I think Mr. Denning did a fine job treating our beloved characters as mature adults dealing with issues in a fashion inherent to their natures. By the end, Han and Leia appear to be on solid ground again and ready to face the future together. Now if the writer's would only stop 3PO from interupting Han & Leia from actually enjoying a kiss!
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Post by Shelley on Dec 10, 2001 14:26:03 GMT -5
Ugh, that interrupted kiss. It came across like a faintly cruel tease. H&L have been through a lot. Why can't they have one measly uninterrupted kiss?
According to Shelly Shapiro, the writers try to echo what made H/L popular in the movies: their banter. Maybe the interrupted kiss was an attempt to echo their first kiss on the Falcon in ESB...except in that case, they actually succeeded in kissing before Threepio bumbled in.
(Small aside: I pointed out to Ms. Shapiro that what made them popular was not just the banter, but the passionate kisses they engage in. I don't know if she'll relay that to the EU authors, but I sure hope she does.)
But I was glad to see Han and Leia acting like adults and realizing what they almost lost. Han took responsibility for his selfish behavior, and Leia took responsibility for not being a little MORE selfish where her family was concerned. Even without lots of romantic scenes (which would've been almost impossible anyway, what with Leia's injuries), it was clear that these two love each other very much.
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Post by gingertoby@hotmail.com on Dec 11, 2001 18:41:54 GMT -5
I liked Recovery and I'm so happy that Han and Leia will be together more often now. I also liked how Han and Leia were willing to be honest with themselves and each other about past mistakes. At least these two characters seemed to be given an opportunity to grow.
I don't think it was the banter alone that made H/L popular in the movies. It was the chemistry that made this partnership work. That chemistry included sexual tension as well as the bantering. A passionate kiss here and there would not take anything away from the story.
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Post by gingertoby@hotmail.com on Dec 11, 2001 18:45:55 GMT -5
Oh yeah Shelley, I'm glad to here that Shelly Shapiro knows that H/L were popular in the movies. I sometimes wonder if Bantam/DR/LFL ever understood that. The way that H/L are written in the EU leads one to wonder sometimes.
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Post by Shelley on Dec 13, 2001 12:23:40 GMT -5
I think Del Rey took H/L fans for granted because there was no real complaining up until the NJO books. Well, wait a minute. A distinction needs to be made. There are two groups of H/L fans, which sometimes overlap but for the most part are distinct. There are the movie H/L fans and the EU H/L fans. The EU H/L fans didn't complain, at least not as loudly, about H/L's separation in the NJO. The movie H/L fans were the ones who started the campaign to save their marriage. The complaining reached a crescendo with "Balance Point." I have not read it, save for a few passages, but from what I've heard, it embodies what's wrong with how H/L are treated in the EU, particularly the NJO. In this book, not only are H/L given a pathetic "reunion," sealed with a kiss during which Leia thinks Han's breath "smells like a wet Wookiee"; not only is Leia brutally tortured and there are no scenes of Han sitting by her bedside or otherwise showing concern for her; but that other couple, Luke and Mara, are given lots of mushy love scenes, and Mara's beauty (flawless even at 46) is gushed over ad nauseum. Han and Leia's son Anakin even drools over her. Not surprisingly, movie H/L fans just got fed up. The book threw the unfair treatment of the two couples into sharp relief. Luke and Mara have experienced exactly one trauma in the NJO, which brought them closer together and was balanced off with gobs of love scenes. Han and Leia experienced trauma after trauma, which drove them apart (and it might've been permanently if the H/L fans hadn't spoken up), and they got zippo love scenes. I relayed to Ms. Shapiro that, from what I can tell, H/L fans are just sick of the trauma. We think H/L have been through enough; we'd like to see the suffering stop, and them experiencing some happiness for a change. It's a big galaxy far, far away, and surely there's room for more than one happy, in-love couple. Please permit me a small, semi-OT rant. I'm not just a H/L fan but a Leia fan, and I am sick to death of Mara being portrayed as the heroine of the EU. She started out interesting. Now she's fawned over as this perfect human being, and the other characters practically fling themselves at her feet for the privilege of her walking all over them. Well, IMO, no matter how many undeserved accolades and titles (Jedi Knight, Jedi Master) are heaped at her feet, no matter how many times she's allowed to condescend and preach to characters (Leia, Luke, et al) with no repercussions or reminders of her unsavory past, she will never, ever be the heroine of SW, even SW EU. Leia is the heroine of SW, and the only competition she has for that title is her mother, Padme. Mara is a trumped-up, tack-on, artificially "strong" (as opposed to genuinely strong like Leia), Xena Xerox, "kewl" Mary Sue. Whew! Sorry about that. Just had to get it off my chest.
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Post by Shelley on Dec 21, 2001 13:26:36 GMT -5
Damn, I've killed this thread, haven't I?
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Post by snitch@earthlink.net on Dec 22, 2001 0:42:57 GMT -5
Looks like it, doesn't it? LOL Honestly, how can anybody follow such an astute observation of the Mara Jade character except with a hearty Bravo! Leia rocks!
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Post by gingertoby@hotmail.com on Dec 22, 2001 11:33:41 GMT -5
I'm a Leia fan too Shelley. I didn't realize how much of a Leia fan that I was until I started posting on message boards and found myself defending her all of the time. I think that Mara is a victim of her own popularity. She is, or was, the most popular EU derived character. Problem is, being the most popular EU derived character doesn't make her the most popular SW character, however most of the authors and editors are treating her as if she is(was). Now her importance to the stories are overblown and she has become very annoying.
That's one of the best things about Recovery, Mara makes only one brief appearance. That one scene still managed to annoy me even then. Leia had to ask Mara about what Luke was experiencing at the time. Luke had drifted off into some kind of trance and Leia ask Mara if Luke was having a vision or was he just thinking. Leia is Luke's twin sister, their force bond was established in the movies, plus they have been close for over 25 years, why did Leia have to ask Mara? It just seemed strange to me.
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Post by Toryn Farr on Jan 1, 2002 10:25:27 GMT -5
haha, great post shelley.
it really is unfortunate that mara has become so irritating. The Mara of zahn's trilogy was brilliant, but she's been completely misused. I dont think I will ever understand her relationship with Luke. To me, it never seemed as if they had a relationship until they got married.
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Post by RebelHawk on Jan 1, 2002 10:41:51 GMT -5
Hey Toryn and others,
You know, I liked the Mara Jade that appeared in the Thrawn trilogy. She was pretty cool. But yeah, I have to agree that after that, every author picked up on her and all of a sudden, she became the focus of the SW EU.
I'm a Leia fan. I've been a Leia fan since that scene in Star Wars where she leans out of her hiding place and blasts that first stormtrooper. So, I am extremely biased where Leia is concerned. Timothy Zahn had Leia training as a Jedi, focusing her skills, using a lightsaber. But it seems like other authors decided that since they had Mara, they didn't have to deal with Leia and it, quite frankly, sucks. Isn't Leia also Anakin Skywalker's child? I thought I read that somewhere. Wouldn't she be just as powerful?
I don't know, I just think that the entire relationship of Han and Leia, outside of a few wonderful scenes here and there (mostly in the Thrawn trilogy), has been a pale comparison to the relationship on screen.
My 2 cents... Happy New Year, you all! How many days until Attack of the Clones?
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Post by starwarsfan68 on Jan 1, 2002 14:31:59 GMT -5
I agree with Rebelhawk. Wouldn't Leia's charater have been a much better if she had been trained as a Jedi like it is her right as Anakin's Daughter. She would have been better able to defend herself in a lot of NJO situations, not that I have read them. I am going on what I have read from these boards and Recovery. I can't see anyone trully objecting to her becoming a Jedi!!!! I think it would have made for great reading!!!
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